PODCAST SHOW NOTES - JOHN LEARY-JOYCEEPISODE #055 - Insights & Reflections on Systemic Team Coaching
John Leary-Joyce, Founder and Thought leader of Systemic Team Coaching, President and Founder of the Academy of Executive Coaching (AoEC), and Author of Fertile Void: Gestalt Coaching at Work
Episode #055: John Leary-Joyce: Insights & Reflections on Systemic Team Coaching
Join Dr. Krister Lowe and today’s featured guest and thought leader in the area of team coaching—John Leary-Joyce—for this episode of The Team Coaching Zone Podcast. John is the President and Founder of the Academy of Executive Coaching (AoEC)—a global organization that provides a route for professionals to gain coaching mastery. He has rapidly established the AoEC as a brand of excellence accredited by the International Coaching Federation, the European Mentoring and Coaching Council and Middlesex University. He is the author of Fertile Void: Gestalt Coaching at Work, is a founder and thought leader of Systemic Team Coaching, and certifies and supervises team coaches around the world.
Themes explored in the podcast include: John’s journey as a Gestalt psychotherapist into executive and team coaching; the establishment of the AoEC; individual signature presence; incorporating the organizational and systemic context into coaching; John’s collaboration with Peter Hawkins; similarities and differences between team development, team facilitation and team coaching; the ongoing process of team coaching over time; the Five Disciplines of Team Coaching – Commissioning, Clarifying, Co-Creating, Connecting, Core Learning; inside out and outside in as well as the task and relationship components in team coaching; collective leadership; individual and collective performance appraisal within teams; the learning team; differentiating elements of Systemic Team Coaching; supervision of team coaches; shadow team coaches; being able to challenge as well as hold as a team coach; helping teams maintain momentum in team coaching; the future of team coaching and more.
In the episode John shares a number of success as well as failure stories from his executive and team coaching practice. He also shares information about AoEC’s team coach training programs; the Team Connect 360 diagnostic tool; his book Fertile Void: Gestalt Coaching at Work; as well as other resources available at www.aoec.com.
Systemic Team Coaching is one of the leading approaches to team coaching that all team coaches should explore. This episode provides a great introduction from one the thought leaders and founders in the area. This is an episode that you will surely not want to miss! For show notes go to: www.TeamCoachingZone.com.
Part 1 – Getting to know the Coach: John Leary-Joyce
- Based in St. Albans just north of London
- Systemic Team Coaching – Peter Hawkins (Episode #19)
- President and Founder of the Academy of Executive Coaching (AOEC)
- Initial 18 year career in psychology and group facilitation
- Former Manager of the Gestalt Center in London
- Specialty: Developing coach’s signature presence
- Author of Fertile Void: Gestalt Coaching at Work
- Avid tango dancer!
- Putting theory into practice is where the real challenge comes in
Journey into Team Coaching
- Started as Gestalt psychotherapist, moved into management arena when took on the role of Manager of Gestalt center; led to more of a business orientation
- Wondered how to apply Gestalt thinking to management arena
- Process consultation: listening and understanding vs. telling
- Developed notion of signature presence: how to bring yourself as a leader to the coaching context, engage with your whole personality and develop your own model (being rather than applying outside models)
- AEOC in 2000 with a colleague
- Early on, interest was with team facilitation, enjoyed grappling with problems with others
- Two specific experiences working one-on-one with leaders that were less successful stuck with him; year later he met up with Peter Hawkins and realized that he had not been in touch with the organizational context surrounding these two clients that had been unsuccessful
- Since 2010, when he started working with Peter Hawkins, has been developing systemic approach and training
Part 2 – Perspectives on Team Coaching
What does team facilitation and development bring?
- This is not a new thing
- Peter Locke, Ruth Wageman, Richard Hackman
- The new element is weaving the coaching philosophy into team coaching, to get individuals to take responsibility for themselves within the team context
- Shift from team facilitation/development to working from the inside out rather than outside in, coming with an invitation to teams to discover who they are
- Time is a crucial factor for systemic coaching – sport coaching is similar in terms of how time plays into it
Systemic Team Coaching Model: Disciplines
- Who’s inside the team and who’s outside?
- Usually the focus tends to be inside, but you have to look at the whole system
- Commissioning: Look at what stakeholders are asking for, what is the mandate for the team?
- Clarifying and Co-creation within the team to deliver on the task to satisfy expectations of key stakeholders
- Teams by default tend to silo, which ignores the potential for synergy and additional value
- Relationships among individuals (suppliers, staff, board, etc)
- Often the team leaders takes responsibility for connecting with key stakeholders, attempting to “protect” the team from that, but collective responsibility emphasizes the systemic paradigm
- Example: individuals on the team contributing to assessment of each other rather than the leader doing that in private
- Learning Team: How to take the learning from these experiences, processes to develop, grow, reflect
- Learning as integral to performing well
- Learning moment: first or second team engagement
- Put a plan together with the CEO
- During inquiry phase, came up against resistance within senior leadership team members
- Had to put the whole initial plan on hold to get the team on the same page
- During economic slump in 2008, the team had to rethink everything, find new markets
- Supervision is crucial
- Working in pairs, having a shadow team coach, or an outside supervisor is really helpful
- How to maintain momentum and leaders’ commitment to an ongoing process?
- 360 now and in 9 months or a year à incentivizes periodic check-in, desire to achieve targets
- combining individual and team coaching and checking in on both over time
Part 3 – Resources, Parting Words, and Contacting John
Resources for Coaches
- 3-Day Systemic Team Coaching Certificate
- New York, Boston this fall (with John)
- Team Connect 360 tool to use after the certificate
- 1-year program: 4 more modules to learn as you engage with a team
- London, Johannesberg, Paris and Singapore to come
- AOEC website (frequent blog posts)
- Fertile Void: Gestalt Coaching at Work
Advice for Coaches
- Sit with the pain and the difficulty of the process with a team
- Have confidence
- Draw on your experience of being on a team yourself